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26 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:17 pm

LindaY


I'm not saying I understand all of this but, it was just something that was noticed when reading that and had not been noticed before. Not having had a chance to look at it more I'm not sure what the message is in it's fulness so please don't let what has been posted stop the flow of what's being said here.

27 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:17 pm

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Mark Wrote: We have come to appreciate the testing of our faith for it is the testing and tribulation that establishes that faith in us.

If we come to understand what the testing and tribulation is about and appreciate them, then these activities have moved from being testing and tribulation to "opportunities" to learn. So they are no longer something to fear or dread but to embrace them for the understandinng they will bring.



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28 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:41 pm

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Long2JC wrote:DAVID WROTE: We have come to appreciate the testing of our faith for it is the testing and tribulation that establishes that faith in us.

If we come to understand what the testing and tribulation is about and appreciate them, then these activities have moved from being testing and tribulation to "opportunities" to learn. So they are no longer something to fear or dread but to embrace them for the understandinng they will bring.

Thank you John. That's what I've come to the place to understand too. No longer having fear but understanding them for what they are.

29 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:33 am

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todosan wrote:My friend Mike was driving through Whittier Iowa and he saw this man running about in the yard, looking in the ditch and all over the place. Their eyes met and Mike could tell something was terribly wrong. Later on, he found out that this was the family who lost their toddler in the swimming pool that morning. Mike has been really having trouble dealing with this because of how he felt when he saw the man, and considering the grief this family has is just unbearable.

There is hardly any consolation for a mind that has been so assaulted in the natural, but in Christ there is redemption, reconciliation, and understanding. The revelation of God's sovereignty has opened a door for us that allows us to see all things pertaining to the course laid before us. Not in a fatalistic sense, but as in a destination. I told David, "God will take you the easiest way you will go." This has been true for my life so many times, the latest of which has been a doozy. I was not willing to go the easy way and thus a sovereign process sets in so that the good work in me could be completed on time. That is destiny.

Mike and I talked about what the impact would be to this man if he could see more of the spiritual realm. If he could understand that his child was now standing with the Lord. Not in an imaginary sense, but in the sense of truly knowing what is fact - revelation if you will. That is reality. Yes, the pain of loss would still be great, and there would still be mourning, but the state of that person's mind would be altered by the impact of the Spirit. When we do not see God's sovereignty, we are inclined to decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong. That is the tree of knowledge. When we do understand Who is King, then we eat from the tree of life, which not even death can prevail against.

Something is up here. Less than an hour away from Whittier, my cousin's nine-year-old daughter, Elizabeth, came up missing in Evansdale, IA on July 13th. Neither she nor her cousin, Lyric, has been seen since. It would be so difficult to have such a tender child missing for so long, and outside of your natural protection, but Drew and his wife Heather have remained solid. It amazes me how the Lord is holding them together. During the week after they dropped out of sight, I believed that they were abducted by someone who intended no harm to them. Here it is two months later and I still believe that. My cousin and his wife have not lost faith. To anyone who is watching them, they are a witness to the joy and strength inherent in of a life in Him.

Does anyone here have a gifting in the realm of moving heaven through prayer? is there a sister or brother who can encourage me to pursue such a course of action?



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30 Jesus/Isa/Yeshua on Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:59 am

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Dear David...I confess that I do not have a gift of moving heaven. I have learned that in praying that my earth can ascend into heaven and gain heaven's perspective...not complete understanding but a peace that passes all understanding. When I read your post, it felt like being kicked by a mule and took my breath away. I could only turn off the computer and seek God for His wisdom. When I returned I felt that I was writing by the spirit when my computer decided to lose the internet connection and delete the post. I think that less is probably more so would leave you with this encouragement. The effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. It might only serve to comfort and lift the person praying but I believe that it also comforts the people for whom we pray...helping with our prayers to carry their heavy burdens and this is one of the heaviest.

In our weakness, His strength is made perfect and when we receive heaven's comfort during our afflictions, it is amazing how well that equips us to comfort others. He too was touched in all points with the feeling of our infirmities and was moved with compassion. I think the best that we can do is pray to bring heaven to earth (usually just changing our own heaven)...even if that does not change the fiery circumstances that made the oven so hot. It is in times like this that we come to know the fourth man in a way that ordinary situations never permit. As we pray for whoever did such a thing and pray for the will of God to be made plain, we can come to the place of confidence that God is indeed sovereign and we will find our way to that expected end that He promised: "I know the plans for you, for good and not for evil and to bring you to an expected end." As He sat down on the seventh day and said: "It is very good", we don't yet see that day in its fullness, but the grace that we receive when our faith is activated in prayer puts substance behind the things for which we hope. I pray that those children be restored but, if not, that their parents would receive the comfort and the understanding that a loving Father is still in control of it all.

31 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:35 am

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In our arena of living . . .we often encounter people of various churches that have any number of giftings and because of this, it is assumed that they also need to have an answer to every question or issue. But the truth is, there are some things we just have to accept that we really don't know. I used to tell that to my church . . .it's O.K. if you don't have all the answers. The trouble comes when we think we have to come up with one and we cultivate a response through our own reasoning and let our reputation of being "gifted" carry the weight of our reaction. That never ends well.

But I "do" beleive we all can change the atmosphere in "our" surroundings as well as the atmosphere of those we pray for. I think that's also where "pray without ceasing" comes into play as well. The moment those two young girls enter our mind, may we release the faith we have in us into their situation that these girls would be protected by their oppressors, and be found unharmed and free to return to their homes.

Here at Quaker, there are flyers all throughout the plant with their pictures on them. They're not forgotten. I see one of their flyers on a bulletin board every time I pass through our cafeteria.

32 Jesus/Isa/Yeshua on Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:54 am

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Amen...and God only knows the lives that Elizabeth and Lync are destined to impact. May God's perfect will find fulfillment in them, wherever their destiny may take them until the full day dawn in their hearts.

33 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:30 pm

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cross-eyed wrote:...The moment those two young girls enter our mind, may we release the faith we have in us into their situation that these girls would be protected by their oppressors, and be found unharmed and free to return to their homes.

Here at Quaker, there are flyers all throughout the plant with their pictures on them. They're not forgotten. I see one of their flyers on a bulletin board every time I pass through our cafeteria.

I'm loving this, Nathan. Thank you. I know that prayer affects hearts, and I believe not only the hearts of those praying. I don't have much confidence in my own abilities regarding effective, fervent prayer, but I do know that He is all the righteousness we need!

There was a similar situation back in 2004. Things were very "hot" for us in Iraq. Insurgents had cut off the supply lines from the south and Baghdad International Airport (BIAP) was almost out of fuel required to fly the medevac missions so we needed to bring them fuel from our base in the north. Our convoy went out first on routes that were designated "black," meaning no travel was permitted due to the extreme level of hostile activity. They had to send us out regardless, and we were willing. We delivered our fuel, stayed the night at BIAP, and returned to base the next morning. That morning, 4/9/04 which was Good Friday, two other convoys left our base. One of the convoys was led into a known firefight by their army escort before reaching BIAP. It was devastating. Many men were lost, along with all of their equipment and fuel. The convoy commander was a friend of mine and he was shot and captured, but not killed. A news crew interviewed and filmed Tommy as his captors put him into a car and sped off. They played this scene over and over for the next few weeks on TV all over the world. We all prayed for Tommy. The strangest part for me was that Tommy and I were walking back from the dining facility on base the night before my convoy left for BIAP and he was describing to me a scenario by which the "enemy" could easily stop one of our convoys. "SSSHHHHH, not so loud!" I joked. What he described turned out to be almost exactly how things would play out on his next mission.

Tommy spent the next three weeks in captivity. He found favor with his captors so they treated him acceptably well. I believe that just getting to know him was what saved his life. Here was a man who loved God, a simple farmer who also loved his children very much. In other words, he was just like them! Tommy found an opportunity to escape 24 days after he was captured, but not before (I believe) he was able to prove himself to be the most effective ambassador we could have ever sent to this alien people.

Can a similar situation be playing out right now with Elizabeth and Lyric?

34 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:31 pm

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Hibbs wrote:Amen...and God only knows the lives that Elizabeth and Lync are destined to impact. May God's perfect will find fulfillment in them, wherever their destiny may take them until the full day dawn in their hearts.

That's what I'm talking about!

35 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:58 pm

todosan


Some time ago, my Pastor friend in Kenya wrote me a disturbing letter. His daughter had been kidnapped. When Lawrence would write, he was distraught and his letters were very hard to swallow. My Greta, my Greta…he would cry. His tears leaped off the page. I sent his requests out to my prayer chain and I know many people prayed.

It choked me up really bad. I kept getting these letters from him, but he would not be consoled and I was not going to give him any Christian lines. I was speechless. I prayed much for Greta, although I had never met her personally.

Then one day, God said to me in a near audible voice, “If you believe, and do not doubt, Greta will return home.”

I was terrified actually. I wanted to encourage Lawrence, but the risk of being called a false prophet on this one was great. I chose to demonstrate strength where he had none. I spoke to him as one who had complete confidence in the Lord, even though I was a little shaky on the inside. But somehow I knew that God had spoken and somehow I knew that Greta would come home.

Three months passed and no Greta. I checked in from time to time to re-assure God that I was still holding on to his word. But seriously, I felt like I had done the diligence. I had reached heaven in prayer and gotten an answer. I checked in with Lawrence, but no news. Then one day 3 months total wait… ( I am guessing), I got the following letter, which I think you will find very encouraging:

From Lawrence
GOD IS GOD!!!, I FOUND GRETA

Dear friends, families, Brothers and sisters.
Greetings to you all. I do not really know where to start. I have finally found Greta. She is very skinny and frustrated but she is alive. It was yesterday when I received a phone call from a lady I have not seen for a long time. She used to attend our church way back many years ago when I was still taking care of our Kawangware church. Since everybody knew about Greta's disappearance from home she also knew about it and she has been praying with us. So she called me yesterday and said I have found Greta, She want to come home but she don't know how. At fist I thought I was dreaming because I thought that one cannot be a kind of a joke one could expect because everybody knows what I am going through. I told her, I want to see you right now. But she said. Right now I am busy but when I am through I will call you so that we meet in town. So I went to town to wait for her there. from the time she called me that was about 9:30am up to 3:30pm when she text me again and told me that now I am free we can now meet.

I called her and told her where I was then she said I am coming right way. After few minutes she appeared from behind me from a far off and with a very skinny and very little dark gild that I could not recognize from far. so as they approached me, here was my daughter Greta was weeping uncontrollably. Very dark, very tired and very skinny. When she started talking she told us that she has been staying in masai land with some two laddies and she did not know how she went there. She has tried to come back home but she could not. She said, After being there for almost one week and I was very confused and I was trying to find my way home I was told that My Dad has disowned me and He don't want to see me, but he want the money he paid for my University school fees back because I have embarrassed him so bad internationally. Life has been so bitter and hurting but I did not know what to do and where to go.

Every time i think about home, I have been just seeing the had life we go through at home sometimes there is no food. sometimes there is no space to sleep because of many people staying with us at home and I hardly get my private time to study so it is even a waste of time to go to school.

Maybe the best thing is to die. So yesterday I was looking at my Dad's photo that I have been always keeping in my pass. So I started crying with the photo in my hand and took off and found myself at sister Beatrice's house at night she said. So my friends I took Greta home. She has spent the whole day in the bedroom.

I do not know how to thank God!! For sure I do not know. I cannot find enough words to say thank you to all of you my friends I still do not know what really happened to course all these. I am praying with her and she is recovering from whatever happened which I cannot put my fingers into right now. I will give you more news as she come back to herself and is able to talk more.

My daughter is here. Greta Is with me. Thank you so much my beloved friends for standing with me all the way. I am sure this is not a Spirit but my daughter Greta with me. Thank you so much again my friends and pass my thank you to your friends who prayed and stood with us for Greta.
I love you all.
Lawrence

36 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:52 pm

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Wow . . .that's amazing.

37 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:24 pm

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And totally believable. I can easily see our girls coming home even more quickly than Greta!

38 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:16 pm

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So what happens when the scat collides with the turbine? The goats head underground, anticipating a cataclysmic, extinction-level event on the surface. Us sheep are left to our own devices, and "good riddance," think the goats. Surely they are monitoring the surface through their surveillance systems, but what do they witness? That "crash" that they feared would destroy the earth, it has instead set things to rights! The earth no longer wobbles on its axis, and the atmosphere re-fills with moisture as it was before the flood. People are no longer killed by the solar radiation. The overcomers who have fallen asleep are resurrected into their new tabernacles, then those of us who remain at His coming are changed in an instant. They witness everything working wonderfully for those who are living "in the air," even 'harpazo'ing here and there as Jesus wills them to. So now they know! It was all about YHWH and YESHUA all along. How sad that must make them, finally acknowledging from their earthly crypts the One Power That Is. This is when they just want to die, hoping that the rocks crash in on them now. But see, this is also where they finally bend a knee to their Creator, and they may not know it but He has a place for them on the other side of the judgment and it's all good, even for them!


This is good. I removed what I had posted earlier here David. I had read the beginning of these posts on the day they were posted and then realized today, I had responded to something here that was a multitude of things that were from several different threads. Then, I went back and read this one and the subject of it and I felt so bad that I had put those verses here. They didn't fit. Sometimes I read too much I think and get into overload. As I believe Todd had said in a different thread, sometimes things are not in ABC order but rather between A and Z there is also B D H, etc. I think this was what happened to me here. So, I'm removing this until I can find the place where it fit with the other threads. Embarassed

39 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:50 pm

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LindaY wrote:I removed what I had posted earlier here David.

You got me again, Sis! Laughing

I was looking all over for the post you put up earlier. I'd read a couple chapters in, was it Isaiah? Jeremiah? that you referred to and something jumped out at me that I wanted to respond to. If you still have it and want to you can go ahead and put it back here, probably fits here as well as anything else. There was something in those chapters that related to my anticipation that the sun wouldn't be cooking us anymore. . .

40 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:46 pm

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Ack! Shocked Smile Sorry about that David. I'm not trying to drive you crazy, I promise! bounce

Here ya go:

Isaiah 48 and 49 speaks of how God had become Jacob/Israel's adversary because of their stiffnecks. But, He also speaks of what His promises give them through Christ. That's when it speaks of the "beginning". Beginning of what? Is this the beginning? The beginning in the 48th chapter speaks of the fact that He had spoken since the beginning but it was not "created" until NOW, when their eyes and ears were opened to Him speaking. Then in Chapter 49 it goes on and continues on about the promises that are brought about through Christ. It states that Israel is "chosen" in the furnace of affliction. After Christ's resurrection, it then speaks of the "first day of the week" in all four gospels.

41 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:02 am

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There it is! Thank you!!!

Isa 49:10 They shall neither hunger nor thirst, Neither heat nor sun shall strike them; For He who has mercy on them will lead them, Even by the springs of water He will guide them.

How are they to be shielded from the sun and heat? This plays right in to my fantasy of the earth returning to pre-flood conditions: perfect rotation, atmosphere filled with water vapor, mist coming up to water the plants like Scherryl just referred to in another thread. I'm loving this idea, even though He's got it all worked out so much better than I can imagine!

42 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:22 am

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DavidHarreld wrote:There it is! Thank you!!!

Isa 49:10 They shall neither hunger nor thirst, Neither heat nor sun shall strike them; For He who has mercy on them will lead them, Even by the springs of water He will guide them.

How are they to be shielded from the sun and heat? This plays right in to my fantasy of the earth returning to pre-flood conditions: perfect rotation, atmosphere filled with water vapor, mist coming up to water the plants like Scherryl just referred to in another thread. I'm loving this idea, even though He's got it all worked out so much better than I can imagine!

Hi David,
I know that your seeing something in the natural with this mist, I don't want to hinder that, but I gotta say that this word mist is "NOT" good, "spiritually speaking". It's only used 3 times in scripture and is used in the sense of Blindness/Obscurity.


Gen_2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

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From the same as H181 (in the sense of enveloping); a fog: - mist, vapor.


Act_13:11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.


akh-looce'
Of uncertain derivation; dimness of sight, that is, (probably) a cataract: - mist.



2Pe_2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

dzof'-os
Akin to the base of G3509; gloom (as shrouding like a cloud): - blackness, darkness, mist.



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43 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:38 am

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Scherryl wrote:

Hi David,
I know that your seeing something in the natural with this mist, I don't want to hinder that, but I gotta say that this word mist is "NOT" good, "spiritually speaking". It's only used 3 times in scripture and is used in the sense of Blindness/Obscurity.

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Act_13:11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.


akh-looce'
Of uncertain derivation; dimness of sight, that is, (probably) a cataract: - mist.



2Pe_2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

dzof'-os
Akin to the base of G3509; gloom (as shrouding like a cloud): - blackness, darkness, mist.



Blessings

Are you serious ?!?! Wow, I cannot believe you quoted that verse. I was just cruzing around the bible and I noticed a verse. I said to myself, "Self, I wonder where that other verse is that uses this same lingo???"

Here was my verse:

Prov 25:14 Whoever falsely boasts of giving
Is like clouds and wind without rain.


And then in Jude:

12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about[c] by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; 13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

The connection I am drawing is to these that have the appearance of godliness, but deny the power thereof (obviously the power to change a heart).

44 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:40 am

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Yea I can see that.

You can't give what you don't have, and if all you have is a form or there is obscurity in you, then that's all you can give.

I once heard a statement that went something like this,

"If there's a mist in the Pulpit, then there's a fog in the pew".

Hummm.

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45 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:52 am

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Perhaps this is something that has a double-edged sword effect. Did God not lead the children of Israel through the wilderness "in the day" by way of manifesting his presence in a cloud? And in Hebrews 11 and 12:1 are not our ancestors with Christ manifesting as a "cloud" of witnesses? Jesus ascended in clouds, Ezekiel saw great clouds with lightning and thunderings . . . the earth in the beginning was engulfed in a mist and man lived hundreds of years rather than tens. They tell me direct sunlight ages me . . . that would imply there's protection "in" the cloud as well. Oh . . and the first day they completed the tabernacle of Moses and God showed up . . .he filled the temple with such a dense cloud that they had to stop their activity.

Yeah, it looks like one that goes both ways.

46 Re: Jesus / Isa / Yeshua on Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:37 pm

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Oh no doubt, as with all things in God have purpose for good.
Even if their not known to us.

Even things that are seen in a negative sense still have purpose in God. And even though I see the clouds as different from the mist in the beginning, still have purpose in Him.

God gives light and at times holds it back, He kills and makes alive, He wounds and He heals, He creates darkness and then makes it His Pavilion, go figure. But all with Purpose.

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47 Jesus/Isa/Yeshua on Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:33 pm

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Yup, Nathan...most of the things in the book have a double meaning....up is down, down is up; cursed is every man that hangs on a tree and yet the bronze serpent in the wilderness brought healing; a branch removed is dead and yet Aaron's rod budded; through death we find life; and on and on we go. Somewhere in the glorious accent and contrast of all of these things, God has determined to make blind eyes see, deaf ears hear, childless wombs to bare, women to become sons, men to have children, sinners to become saints and ad infinitum. Until we have had the mist removed from our eyes to see beyond the veil, we can only imagine...image if you will...what all of these things ultimately mean. But...now we see Jesus, made a little lower than the angels...How wonderful, how marvelous.

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