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1 2017 October on Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:15 pm

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October 1, 2017

CP brought up the subject of "balance" ... how do we define the word "balance"? In the context that he used it, he spoke of a pendulum swinging between two things ... those two things being good and evil, that sometimes evil overtakes good and at other times good overtakes evil.

It always comes down to perspective, from what point of view are we seeing things from. Because of his use of the example pendulum, I believe what he is speaking of is that he looks at this world and he sees the two examples of "evil overtakes good" and "good overtakes evil" existing in the same place but at different times.

So now because this has been broken down to "place" and "time"

we have the one example of "place" which is associated (related) to the word "same" with both happening "IN" the same place

and then we have the other example of "time" which is associated (related) to the word "different" with both happening "AT" different times.

Again, all this is for the purpose of understanding perspective, from what point of view are we seeing these things. To use a physical example to better understand this, it is like being "AT" a door and looking into another room, the other room being the world where we see good and evil overtaking each at different times.

If we are on one side of the door looking through it into the other room, where are we at? Are we not in another room? This is the spiritual understanding of "we are in the world but we are not of the world" and what I mean by that is, our physical body is still in the physical realm but our spirit has been taken into the spiritual realm where we see the big picture of all that is happening in the world.

So in understanding what I myself believe what has taken place with him is that his spirit has been taken into the spiritual realm but at the same time still remains in the physical realm and this is because the spiritual realm exists inside of us and this is where God resides. He has been taken inside of himself where Christ resides and he is being taught by Christ himself (just as Paul was).

Most people do not realize that all truth is inside of them, in other words: they do not realize that Christ is inside of them, the difference in peoples point of view is what they are taught and believe by other men, religion tells people they have to accept Christ to come in which implies that He is not in them, but the people of God's kingdom (a peculiar people) will tell them He is in there but just hasn't been shown to them yet.

Christ Himself says "the kingdom of God is within you" (Luke 17:21) are we to believe the words of Christ or do we believe the words of men that say that His kingdom is not within you unless you accept Christ as your Savior.

I myself do not care for the word "balance" (you said you had a thick skin CP, so be prepared) the word "balance" implies being in the middle of two things, trying to balance the two.

Hear these words in Revelation:

And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. (Revelation 3:14-18)

Trust me when I say, I am NOT saying you are lukewarm for I know your passion for the truth, what I am saying is that these words in Revelation are God's definition of the word "balance", we do not try to balance both world's (physical and spiritual) in this physical life because I believe this is also describing the majority of religions.

Christ Himself describes religion in these words: "Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered." (Luke 11:52)

They are in the doorway, they have not entered in themselves, they are between the two worlds and take away the "key of knowledge" that hinders others. What is the "key of knowledge"? Understanding is the "key of knowledge", Understanding opens up all knowledge but are we receiving the key (understanding) from men or are we receiving it from God (from within where God resides)?

Does not Christ Himself say "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven (not from men): and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 16:19)

People of religion cannot move into God's understanding because they keep handing down their "key" (understanding) from generation to generation, all this for the sake of tradition.



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2 Re: 2017 October on Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:22 pm

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October 3, 2017

I started a word study section on this board yesterday and this morning when I got home I started to write about the second use of the word "beginning"(H7225), as I started to write I was given some things that I found phenomenal (in God's language "I was given revelation").

As I was given this revelation, thoughts just started flowing into me like a flood in how so many things are connected (and even related) to other things, all I could do was think about how amazing God is in how He teach's us and I just wanted to dive right in and start writing about how all these things are connected, but then it became so overwhelming that because so many things were involved it just seemed like an impossible task.

As I took a break to have a cigarette (Yes, I smoke, but please to whoever reads this, do not condemn me for doing so for I know He will take away this desire of the flesh at the proper time), as I took my break, three things came to mind in sequential order, the flood of Noah, the picture of a bottomless pit, and the temptation of Christ in the wilderness to jump from the pinnacle of the temple. The revelation I received at the beginning is not what is important to another at this time, but the lesson I learned at the end of all that happened is.

The lesson learned was not to jump, the pinnacle of the temple is the representation of the revelation I received at the beginning, why do I say it was the beginning, because it is the beginning of the lesson that I was to learn.

As I said in what happened, I was studying the word and by it I was given a revelation and then I said that thoughts just flooded my mind (the flood of Noah) and when they overwhelmed me, and the more I thought about it being an endless task, it became a bottomless pit because God's understanding of His word is endless.

Then by Him now connecting the temptation of Christ in the wilderness to the flood and a bottomless pit, that when I said that I wanted to dive right in and write about the revelation I just received, that was to listen to the words of Satan and jump.

Why do I understand this in this way, it is because, when we focus on just one part of what the Father gives us (a sigle revelation) we listen to our own carnal mind (serpent/Satan) and we can devote our lives (jump) to this one thing, we have jumped to our death. Why do I say we can jump to our death? Because, for us to focus our minds on just one of God's understandings that He has given us, keeps us from being given more. In other words, if we think a single revelation is the pinnacle of understanding His word, death occurs.

The reason I believe death will occur is because God's definition of death includes "to stop growing" which can also be understood as "to stop moving", if we stop moving in His infinite understandings, do we not die to the rest of what He wants to show us through more revelations?

To focus on only a single revelation (part) causes us to become blind because we can no longer continue to see what else He wants to show us

To focus on only a single revelation (part) causes us to become deaf because we can no longer continue to hear what else He wants to tell us

To focus on only a single revelation (part) causes us to become lame because we can no longer continue to walk into what other revelations He wants us to walk into

In conclusion, revelation life dies when our life is focused on only a single revelation

And now the revelation I just received from all this

The whole dies when another focuses on just a part



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3 Re: 2017 October on Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:58 pm

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October 8, 2017

    The other day I was given a spiritual understanding of a verse, because of what I believe, that the word of God is first manifested corporately in the world and then on an individual basis, what we can come to understand is that God’s plan of salvation as it first unfolds in the world as a physical manifestation, mankind now has a physical example to be used as a comparison, a comparison that as we mature in His Spirit, we can actually understand the process of what is taking place inside of us in growing into that maturity, which is understood as being saved from our own immaturity, our own ignorance;

in which, the word "ignorance" is expanded upon and can now be understood as "a lack of understanding", along with the word "immaturity" also being expanded upon and now being understood as "a lack of maturity".

    This is what I myself believe, and the reason I believe it is because I believe: "It is impossible to love what we do not understand."

    “And a river went forth out of Eden to water the garden: and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.” (Genesis 2:10).

This verse, in its infancy is His written word being an account of what was to come throughout the span of time up to the time of Christ.

    “And a river (God’s Spirit in the form of the prophets) went forth (sent by God) out of Eden (from God) to water (brought His Spirit) the garden (to mankind): and from thence (then) it was parted (it was distributed) and became into four heads" (throughout the span of time of 4000 years).

    I believe this is what Peter understood when he said the words; "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (2 Peter 3:8 ). The reason I believe this to be true is because I believe that mankind as a whole throughout the span of time is growing up.

    Just as a child goes through stages of growing up to the point of maturity, so is mankind throughout the whole span of time growing up into maturity; and just like a child learns how to think and comprehend as he/she is growing up to understand physical things in this world, we also have to start from nothing, to think and comprehend as we are growing up to understand spiritual things that are of the spiritual world (God's kingdom); we have to be born again, in other words; we again have to start from scratch.

    Impatience is (I believe) the greatest thing that hinders mankind from truly coming into God's understanding of Himself. The mindset of most of mankind is to learn as much as possible in the least amount of time, this in itself is taught by men for the purpose of "getting ahead in this world", but to try "to get ahead" in spiritual matters is to get ahead of God and His time frame of teaching us.

    I believe "to enter into His rest" is to come to Christ as a child and sit at His feet while He Himself teaches us from within ourselves, for that is where He resides because He says that "the kingdom of God is within you". When He says to "seek and you shall find" is not to look to other men (in our infancy) to find Him, it is to seek and find Him within ourselves.

    In our infancy we have to be completely dependent upon Him to feed us, just as a child in it's infancy is completely dependent upon a parent to feed them. In this understanding we always need to be careful because are we going to our heavenly parent (our heavenly Father) or are we going to an earthly parent (men of religion) to understand our heavenly Father?

    Our own impatience causes us to falter in our walk because it takes longer to learn from God than it does to learn from men, and since men can be flawed in their understanding of our heavenly Father, is it not better to go to the One who has no flaws in His understanding even though it would take longer to understand?

    This in itself is to understand "Be still and know that I am God" (Psalm 46:10).

    This first understanding of this verse, a corporate understanding, is only one way to understand it. It also can be understood as "individually" in Christ Himself and also individually in ourselves in what is taking place inside of us. From here we can go back to Genesis chapter one and see that this verse Genesis 2:10 is a sum of the six days of creation and by it we come to understand what is taking place inside of us.



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4 Re: 2017 October on Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:25 pm

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This verse, in its understanding, moving from infancy to a more mature understanding is His written word being an account of what was to come throughout the span of time of Christ while He walked this earth.

   “And a river (God’s Spirit in the form of Christ) went forth (sent by God) out of Eden (from God) to water (brought His Spirit) the garden (to mankind): and from thence (then) it was parted (it was distributed) and became into four heads" (among Matthew, Mark, Luke and John).

    We now can understand that this verse can also be understood in "an individual" context, in that Christ is the river sent by the Father and from the Father to bring the Spirit of the Father to mankind and then it was distributed among four heads, the heads of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John but also that they are corporate in that they all lived within the same time period (unlike the prophets) and they are corporate in that they are all of the same mind (like the prophets), the mind of Christ.

    With the prophets, it was a span of time of less than 4000 years, in that we know that there was a span of 400 years at the end of the 4000 that God was silent through prophets. We also know that the physical life of Christ was less than 40 years upon this earth in that He lived approximately 33 to 34 years. We also know that His ministry lasted less than 4 years of His life and also His death lasted less than 4 days.

    If Christ is the physical manifestation of the word of God, which we know He is because He is referred to as "The Word", even though there is not a perfect correlation of spans of time, what we can recognize is a pattern; a pattern of speaking and then silence.

What I mean by this is:
in the Old Testament we had the time of the prophets, in the New Testament we had the time of Christ
AND
in the Old Testament we had a silence at the end of the prophets speaking and in the New Testament we had a silence at the end of Christ speaking

    This in itself goes along with what takes place in us, in that The Father speaks to us through Christ (His Word) and then there is to be a silence (Be still and know that I am God), the reason for this is to recognize what comes next.

   We first see that with the prophets speaking and then silence what came next was the birth of Christ, then in the New Testament we had Christ speaking and then silence and then the resurrection of Christ, this same pattern takes place in us in that the Father speaks through His written word, then there is silence (Be still and know that I am God) then comes revelation.

The birth of Christ is one viewpoint of the words "Let there be light"
The resurrection of Christ is another viewpoint of "Let there be light"
The revelations we are given are another viewpoint of "Let there be light"

    Understanding this is to understand that God's written word is dead to us, and when we are still The Father brings that written word to life, He breaths His Spirit into it and it comes to life. Revelation to us is God breathing life into His written word. I believe that through this we can better understand one of the temptations of Christ in the wilderness, Christ said "Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"; in other words, we can't live on the written word (bread) alone, we live by the breath breathed into it (every word that proceeds from the mouth of God).

    To live in resurrection life is to live a life of revelation, but not to the point of loving revelation more than we love the Father. This is also understood as: we are not supposed to love what is given more than the giver. Revelation knowledge is the wisdom of God and in the same sense, we are not to love what belongs to God more than God Himself.

    Knowledge, understanding and wisdom are of the mind
    Love, forgiveness and compassion are of the heart

Each one of these is something God possesses, but more so, each one of these is what God IS, we know this by the verse "God is love". But to understand the depth of this is to see in the name "I AM" all of these:

I AM Love
I AM Forgiveness
I AM Compassion
I AM Knowledge
I AM Understanding
I AM Wisdom

    We know through His word that God has many names, but do we even consider that these names also apply to Him?



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5 Re: 2017 October on Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:00 pm

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October 12, 2017

I mentioned before that Genesis 2:10 can be understood as the sum of the six days of creation, in that:
Day One is the river
Day Two is the spreading out of the one river into four
Day Three through Day Six are the four rivers from the one

Knowing that a river is made up of water and water is compared to His Spirit, we can easily understand that this is One Spirit (as a whole) being sent to mankind. In Day One, we can understand by the examples of light and darkness, at the beginning of our walk of understanding, first and foremost it is God's Spirit of discernment that is sent. We need to be able to see and then understand similarities and differences through one example.

As I have already shown in previous posts, with this one example of Genesis 2:10, we can see and understand how each one is similar; compared to the others, and we can see and understand how each one is different; compared to the others. This is the entering into Day Two of creation in that God created "the firmament", an expanse, taken from the word that means "to spread", we can understand that what God does in us is: expands our understanding of a certain word or subject; which can also be understood as “expands our understanding of His Word” and knowing that “His Word” is Christ, the Father is expanding our understanding of “His Son”.

The mind of man is not an easy thing to understand; what is even harder to understand is the mind of God. The apostle Paul writes “Who has known the mind of the Lord” (Romans 11:34, 1 Corinthians 2:16), but what we see in his letter to the Corinthians in comparison to his letter to the Romans is the addition of the words, “but we have the mind of Christ.” Would not the mind of Christ know the mind of God, the mind of the Father? Is this question answered by the words of Christ “I and my Father are one” (John 10:30)?

The purpose for having the mind of Christ is to understand spiritual things and in the same way having the mind of man is to understand natural things; which can also be understood as “to understand physical things”. In the infancy of the mind, meaning in its immaturity, its understanding is limited to what it already knows and it is in this that we can be shown and understand what was going on in the minds of the prophets of the Old Testament.

The prophets were not given as much understanding as the apostles were; the proof in this is seen in the words of Christ when He says; “For verily I say unto you, that many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them” (Matthew 13:17) and “For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them" (Luke 10:24).

It is because of this (I believe) that they could only use examples of what they already did know to try to explain their own condition (their own state of mind) at the time they were given what they were given. What I mean by this is in the word “grave”; when the prophets received things from God but could not understand the purpose for receiving them, this word “grave” was the closest thing they already understood to explain the condition they were in. This word “grave” (I believe) was the only word they knew to use in order to sum up the deep desire to understand and not receive it.

Try to put yourself in their place, and I am sure that many of us have already been in that place of wanting (having a desire) to understand but was not getting (receiving) it. When this desire to understand gets so strong; and I mean “really strong” in us, there are two things that will happen, it can cause us to get depressed and break down crying or we get so frustrated that we get angry with ourselves for not understanding. These conditions are explained in the words of Christ;“But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:12), there shall be crying and anger. Why would God allow us to get into this situation, this place of torment?

More to come …..



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6 Re: 2017 October on Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:15 pm

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To continue with the question: Why would God allow us to get into this situation, this place of torment?

I heard a quote one time that stuck with me; “We do not lose, we either win or we learn”. Learning from the experience that the prophets described as being in the “grave” is to understand that they were in a place of darkness. In Matthew 15, Christ compares “a lack of understanding” as being blind to Peter when He asked the question; “Are ye also yet without understanding?” (Matthew 15:16). Christ described the Pharisees as “the blind leading the blind” and by His question to Peter; He is describing the same condition in both the Pharisees and Peter, just in different words.

We, in this time, have an advantage that the prophets did not. We can understand what takes place in us by understanding the process in which we are brought into by God. This process is described in Genesis chapter one, if you have been granted repentance by God, which the word “repentance” in its original meaning means “to think differently”. So, in other words, we can understand the process He brings us into when He grants us [/b]“the ability to think differently”[/b], which we all possess already. Would this not be an example of freedom? An ability to think differently than what we have learned all our lives, a freedom from the bondage of what someone else has told us and we believed? An ability to think and understand on our own rather than have someone else “tell” us what the word of God means or is?

You may say as you read those words that I am doing the same thing, that I am telling you what the Bible really means. To set your mind at ease, just consider this about me, I am only speaking of what I have come to understand and all I am doing is giving you another option to consider, another choice to consider. You can reject it as a lie or you can consider it to be true; “let God be true, but every man a liar” (Romans 3:4). To anyone I can be a liar, a falsifier, which that is the definition of the word “liar” in this verse, but a liar only remains a liar until God reveals that he’s not.

Getting back to the prophets and the condition they were put into. This condition (I believe) is seen in verse two of Genesis chapter one: “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep” (Genesis 1:2). If we start to think differently and consider that the earth is another way for God to describe a person, we can understand that this verse is describing the condition that existed in the prophets and can also exist in us. The words “without form” means to be desolate, a wasteland, and the word “void” means a vacuity, to be empty. These words are describing the condition of the prophets, they were empty of understanding; they were a wasteland that had no life growing in it.

Because we know that understanding is something that can grow in us, should we not consider that understanding can take on the form of life in that it can grow? Does it not take on the same qualities as life in that it can grow and mature just like a plant or an animal does; that it can grow and mature just like a person does? I myself believe that it is.

When we read the next part of the verse: “and darkness was upon the face of the deep” in keeping with the idea of thinking differently, this word “darkness” is another word that is used to describe this same condition; that the word “darkness” is describing “a lack of understanding”, which goes back to the comparison I used with Christ and Peter in that “a lack of understanding” is compared to “blindness”. Understanding this we can also understand that the prophets were “blind to understanding” which leads us again to what Christ said about the prophets in the books written by Matthew and Luke: “For verily I say unto you, that many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them” (Matthew 13:17) and “For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them (Luke 10:24).

Coming to understand the concept of the spiritual principle of: “to see” is “to understand” and “to be blind” is “a lack of understanding”, would it not be in God’s best interests as well as our own, to give us understanding, to heal us from our blindness, to heal us from our own spiritual blindness?

It is because of this principle that we can spiritually understand what Christ said “that many prophets and righteous men (and kings) have desired to see (understand) those things which ye see (understand)”, but the thing is; we have to hear the truth before we can even understand it. Again, I am only speaking of what I have come to understand and what I have come to understand is what I believe has come from His Spirit inside of me.

Moving on …..



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