APlace2Rest

You are not connected. Please login or register

According to the Pattern

Go to page : Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down  Message [Page 4 of 5]

76 Re: According to the Pattern on Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:49 am

J.U.G.G.H.E.A.D.

avatar
Admin
Scherryl wrote:Yeah, that's right your a long distance Truck driver right?
No wonder you have that much time to spend with Him.

Ain't nothing like it is there?


Nope, nothing like it. It has been almost seven years since He put His hunger in me, been consuming and digesting ever since.

It's the one advantage I think I have over others, I do not have to think about things with my job, like a CPA, architect, doctor, lawyer, etc. always having to use their minds for things in this world.

Plus the fact that I have cut myself off from watching news or reading about what is going on in the world, it brings to much sorrow to my heart to hear what men do to other men, so my focus is always on my hope in Christ and what the Father's final outcome will be, which leaves me to be cheerful when I talk to others.

I still have yet to come across someone who asks me why I can be cheerful with all that is going on in this world, but I anticipate when it does and "BOY" will that be an opportunity to bring the gospel of grace to them.

May knowing His outcome keep us in the peace that surpasses the understanding of the world.



Wisdom is not measured by time, it is measured by understanding

77 Re: According to the Pattern on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:10 am

A.R.T.I.C

avatar
Admin
jugghead wrote:
Scherryl wrote:Yeah, that's right your a long distance Truck driver right?
No wonder you have that much time to spend with Him.

Ain't nothing like it is there?


Nope, nothing like it. It has been almost seven years since He put His hunger in me, been consuming and digesting ever since.

It's the one advantage I think I have over others, I do not have to think about things with my job, like a CPA, architect, doctor, lawyer, etc. always having to use their minds for things in this world.

Plus the fact that I have cut myself off from watching news or reading about what is going on in the world, it brings to much sorrow to my heart to hear what men do to other men, so my focus is always on my hope in Christ and what the Father's final outcome will be, which leaves me to be cheerful when I talk to others.

I still have yet to come across someone who asks me why I can be cheerful with all that is going on in this world, but I anticipate when it does and "BOY" will that be an opportunity to bring the gospel of grace to them.

May knowing His outcome keep us in the peace that surpasses the understanding of the world.


Amen to that.
LOL, I wonder why I thought you were a driver. I'm sorry.
But like you, I do not listen to news or read the paper, or watch it on TV, either. And I agree, it just brings much sorrow and can produce fear, if your not real settled in Him.

Blessings

http://aplace2rest.forumotion.com

78 Re: According to the Pattern on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:23 am

J.U.G.G.H.E.A.D.

avatar
Admin
But I am a truck driver (Commodities Transport Specialist)LOL



Wisdom is not measured by time, it is measured by understanding

79 Re: According to the Pattern on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:36 am

A.R.T.I.C

avatar
Admin
Oh, ok LOL, good, I thought I was loosing it. Laughing

http://aplace2rest.forumotion.com

80 Re: According to the Pattern on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:50 am

J.U.G.G.H.E.A.D.

avatar
Admin
Scherryl wrote:You know? I just read your question to Todd, and now, I'm thinking maybe it's not so much of a dying, but an Awakening in and of itself, to His Righteousness, I mean they were asleep and they were doing it for sorrow it says. Just thinking out loud. Like you were saying maybe what were seeing as a dying is actually, transformation, or maybe both. But no doubt I see in The garden of Gethsemane, a fight over wills going on.
"not my will, but thine be done". His will, beyond the third veil. WOW!!

Humm, .....Ok, they say when you start answering yourself too, that's not good Laughing But ya know, sometimes I think it helps.


"doing it for sorrow" ..... what I can see in this is "escape" just like drinking or drugs is an escape for some, sleeping is for others. When hope is running thin, those who have had it try not to think about losing it, and find an escape to not think about it.

I don't think the disciples wanted to think about losing Christ (their hope), God says He gives us an escape from any temptation, I believe sleep was theirs so that they would not get so depressed about it, or get angry and try to prevent it, which we do see in one disciple.

It is not about fighting to prevent something from happening, it is to understand why it is happening, which we know that our own trials is God putting us through something that He wants us to get understanding from.

This is what makes sense to me.



Wisdom is not measured by time, it is measured by understanding

81 Re: According to the Pattern on Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:10 pm

LindaY


Mark,
I just began reading on the pattern again and the first paragraph you mentioned the 42nd generation. It was only 2 days ago while reading in the gospels that I realized there were 42 generations from Abraham to Christ. When you posted this I didn't even realize the significance of it until today. Shocked

82 According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:11 am

Hibbs


Linda;
I don't know if you recognized that there are only 41 generations from Abraham to Jesus. That lineage is of the spiritual seed even though it crosses the natural lineage of the other gospel. 42 is also an interesting number as the Bible mentions 42 months or 3 1/2 years in several places. The Christ is much more than Jesus surname...it is this Christ with which we are concerned for we are that body coming forth as that 42nd generation.

83 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:13 am

LindaY


Hibbs wrote:Linda;
I don't know if you recognized that there are only 41 generations from Abraham to Jesus. That lineage is of the spiritual seed even though it crosses the natural lineage of the other gospel. 42 is also an interesting number as the Bible mentions 42 months or 3 1/2 years in several places. The Christ is much more than Jesus surname...it is this Christ with which we are concerned for we are that body coming forth as that 42nd generation.

I didn't see there were only 41 but I did recognize the 42 months you are speaking of and saw the connection there. I was looking at the one it speaks of in Matthew:

Matt 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

84 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:40 am

Hibbs


If you go and count each generation, you will find that there are only 41 to Jesus and that the 42 refers not to Jesus, the person, but to Christ the manchild. Matthew only goes to Abraham because it is the spiritual lineage. Luke goes back to Adam through Joseph which we know doesn't really apply because Joseph wasn't the actual father...but it does set a natural timetable.

85 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:58 am

LindaY


I didn't realize that. I need to look into this further. Thank you for pointing this out. I had not noticed it before.

86 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:33 pm

A.R.T.I.C

avatar
Admin
I just wanted to add a little something here.
In Mat. The lineage of Joseph comes out of "Kingship".

In Luke the lineage of Mary comes out of "Priesthood".

The two lineages brings forth "Our King/Priest" Jesus Christ.
--------------------------------------------------------------

There is something else to consider also. That in Mat. When referring to The Last Adam/Christ, it says "begat" throughout.

But when you get to Luke, and referring to The first Adam, it just say's "of" throughout. Is there a significance?
I believe that there is.

Does it take both, someone had asked before in another place.
Yes, I think it did.

When it comes to Jesus Christ, there was no stone left unturned as to our full Redemption.




The Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail...Because The Love of God...Will....Never....Fail!
http://aplace2rest.forumotion.com

87 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:49 pm

Guest


Guest
Scherryl wrote:When it comes to Jesus Christ, there was no stone left unturned as to our full Redemption.

Everything in Scripture--and outside of scripture--points to Him! But is this where He is found, in the things which point Him out? I am beginning to have grave doubts concerning my search. I've already poured my heart out on this to a precious Brother this morning, one who is going through exactly the same issues as I am at home. Please indulge me a bit of cutting and pasting and see if you can't smoke me out:

I don't know what we're supposed to be doing here. It's not just you, me and your brother who are going through this I am sure. I've got a friend in Oregon who has been going through this for five years. Ward's is a real riches-to-rags story. I've shared with him my revelations over the years and it's been a little frustrating that I couldn't truly engage him. We've always loved each other and always kept talking. He's seen me go through a lot of seasons and various levels of encouragement while he just seems on a steady pace of decline.

The other day Ward shared an author that he read years ago who seemed to him to be pivotal in his life. Have you ever read any of Madame Guyon's writings? She has been much-maligned by the church, and since I started reading her autobiography yesterday I can see why. I have only read about a quarter of the book, which brings us up to her twentieth year, but what I am seeing in her life is blowing me away and such a contrast with what we are doing here trying to find signs in scripture and in the stars and in current events.

Madame Guyon was born in the 17th century to moderate wealth (like us) and was both advantaged and disadvantaged in her training, upbringing and treatment by her family and others (also like us). She alternated between piety and vanity and then was given a revelation that her salvation was to be found in prayer. The church and her family didn't dig this at all, but she would not be persuaded. Her prayer life afforded her an intimate relationship with God and she began to appreciate and even enjoy the rough treatment she received at the hands of men. Everything she found brought her closer to her Lord, and she was convinced that He was active in scourging her every defect out of her. Everything in her flesh was subject to His loving punishment.

As near as I can tell, the end result as evidenced by her writing so far was producing in her nothing of herself and everything of Christ. It is making sense! While we agree with these principles--in principle--are we really actively seeking this path or are we trying to find short-cuts based upon this time we find ourselves advantaged to be born into? Will we find relief on this earth in our lifetime or are we destined for death? And should we be actively seeking this death out, with joy, knowing the fruit that it will produce? Here is an example of the writing I have been subjected to in the past day:

...I had now no sight but of Jesus Christ alone. All else was excluded, in order to love with the greater extent, without any selfish motives or reasons for loving. The will, absorbed the two others, the memory and understanding into itself, and concentrated them in Love;—not but that they still subsisted, but their operations were in a manner imperceptible and passive. They were no longer stopped or retarded by the multiplicity, but collected and united in one. So the rising of the sun does not extinguish the stars, but overpowers and absorbs them in the luster of his incomparable glory.

Such was the prayer that was given me at once, far above ecstacies, transports or visions. All these gifts are less pure, and more subject to illusion or deceits from the enemy. Visions are in the inferior powers of the soul, and cannot produce true union. The soul must not dwell or rely upon them, or be retarded by them; they are but favors and gifts. The Giver alone must be our object, and aim. It is of such that Paul speaks, "Satan transforms himself into an angel of light," II Cor. 11:18; which is generally the case with such as are fond of visions, and lay a stress on them; because they are apt to convey a vanity to the soul, or at least hinder it from humbly attending to God only. Ecstacies arise from a sensible relish. They may be termed a kind of spiritual sensuality, wherein the soul letting itself go too far, by reason of the sweetness it finds in them, falls imperceptibly into decay. The crafty enemy presents such sort of interior elevations and raptures for baits to entrap the soul, to fill it with vanity and self-love, to fix its esteem and attention on the gifts of God, and to hinder it from following Jesus Christ in the way of renunciation and of death to all things. And as to distinct interior words, they too are subject to illusion; the enemy can form and counterfeit them. Or if they come from a good angel (for God Himself never speaks thus) we may mistake and misapprehend them. They are spoken in a divine manner, but we construe them in a human and carnal manner. But the immediate word of God has neither tone nor articulation. It is mute, silent, and unutterable. It is Jesus Christ Himself, the real and essential Word who in the center of the soul that is disposed for receiving Him, never one moment ceases from His living, fruitful, and divine operation. Oh, thou Word made flesh, whose silence is inexpressible eloquence, Thou canst never be misapprehended or mistaken. Thou becomest the life of our life, and the soul of our soul. How infinitely is thy language elevated above all the utterances of human and finite articulation. Thy adorable power, all efficacious in the soul that has received it, communicates itself through them to others. As a divine seed it becomes fruitful to eternal life. The revelations of things to come are also very dangerous. The Devil can counterfeit them, as he did formerly in the heathen temples, where he uttered oracles. Frequently they raise false ideas, vain hopes, and frivolous expectations. They take up the mind with future events, hinder it from dying to self, and prevent it following Jesus Christ in His poverty, abnegation, and death.

Widely different is the revelation of Jesus Christ, made to the soul when the eternal Word is communicated. (Gal. 1:16.) It makes us new creatures, created anew in Him. This revelation is what the Devil cannot counterfeit. From hence proceeds the only safe transport of ecstasy, which is operated by naked faith alone, and dying even to the gifts of God. As long as the soul continues resting in gifts, it does not fully renounce itself. Never passing into God the soul loses the real enjoyment of the Giver, by attachments to the gifts. This is truly an unutterable loss. Lest I should let my mind go after these gifts, and steal myself from thy love, O my God, Thou wast pleased to fix me in a continual adherence to Thyself alone. Souls thus directed get the shortest way. They are to expect great sufferings, especially if they are mighty in faith, in mortification and deadness to all but God. A pure and disinterested love, and intenseness of mind for the advancement of thy interest alone. These are the dispositions Thou didst implant in me, and even a fervent desire of suffering for Thee. The cross, which I had hitherto borne only with resignation, was become my delight, and the special object of my rejoicing.

Guyon 1648-1717, Jeanne Marie Bouvier de la Motte (2012-05-11). The Autobiography of Madame Guyon (pp. 46-48). . Kindle Edition.


Now, I am contrasting this joyous spirit with my own and am finding mySelf lacking. Is there a balance to be found here, between total rejection of self and seeking after easy salvation in this time? Or is He to be found in total abandonment as might be counseled by Madame Guyon, Oswald Chambers and the like? One distinction I can see between us and Guyon is that she remained the charge of various benefactors, whether they be benevolent or evil, whereas you and I are responsible for making decisions as to where we will live and how we will be provided for.

For now, I think that any path He lays before us is a path forward. Even if it is a path of self-destruction. If the Lord doesn't do something by the end of today then I believe I will be headed south. I haven't any daughters, or I don't think I could easilybdecide this way!

Of course, He could decide differently for His son, and I am so open to that!!!

88 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:04 pm

Guest


Guest
...I so esteemed the cross that my greatest trouble was the want of suffering as much as my heart thirsted for.

Guyon 1648-1717, Jeanne Marie Bouvier de la Motte (2012-05-11). The Autobiography of Madame Guyon (p. 64). . Kindle Edition.


How foreign this is to my own prayer!

89 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:10 pm

A.R.T.I.C

avatar
Admin
David,

Comparing one with another is never a wise thing to do.




The Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail...Because The Love of God...Will....Never....Fail!
http://aplace2rest.forumotion.com

90 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:17 pm

Guest


Guest
Scherryl wrote:Comparing one with another is never a wise thing to do.


True, that...

We are all individual members in His body. But this all is making me wonder if I am trying to get off too easily. Shall I say that His dying on the cross is sufficient or that I shall seek to follow Him to the cross? Why am I becoming conflicted about this?

91 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:26 pm

A.R.T.I.C

avatar
Admin
To me personally, I know nothing without Christ, I have no judgment, I have no Life, I have nothing without Him to guide me.

You are not alone in your struggling, I think I have crossed the line with Linda. So, all I will say is, you must pick up your cross and follow Him.

And I have found that the answer is YES, you must forsake All in order to do that.

If I say anymore, I may cross the line with you, and I don't want to do that. I know where this is coming from, and it is not Him.

Step out in Faith David,
Exercise your faith.

Blessings




The Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail...Because The Love of God...Will....Never....Fail!
http://aplace2rest.forumotion.com

92 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:44 pm

Guest


Guest
I think I can see us crossing no unfavorable lines here, Scherryl, for I pasture no sacred cows I wouldn't love to see slain. So tell me what you know, Sis! What is this spirit that entices me? I see the accounts of Madame Guyon, and how there would be nothing in them which the flesh finds attractive. And yet they expose a lacking in my own prayer life. I also see how we, in this forum, reason about points in scripture and some come out on top at times and are made lower at others, and I wonder if Christ is to be found in this. And that is my question: Is Christ in the scripture, the stars, anywhere in creation, or is He only in the Love that we avail to God and also to our neighbor? This forum--to the extent that we encourage one another--is a manifestation of laying down our own lives in Love. I can see that.

But now, I encourage you to go ahead and give me both barrels! You will not hurt me. What do you have for me, my lovely Sister?

93 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:11 pm

A.R.T.I.C

avatar
Admin
David,

He is in everything. He is in the stars, He is in this realm and in the other, He is in everything I see, hear, and do, why? Because I know He is in Me.

He is My Life, Love, forgiveness, discernment, decisions, He is with me no matter where I go He is there.
He is in me when I do dishes, and when I read Scripture.

He's not sharing His Life with me, He "IS" my Life.
The sooner we realize this the better off we will be.

What do you want David? What is the most important thing to you? It is there you will find your answers. Because there will your treasure be found also.

Only you and Him know this. But I will leave you with a scripture that I heard in my spirit for you.


1Ki 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.


Blessings




The Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail...Because The Love of God...Will....Never....Fail!
http://aplace2rest.forumotion.com

94 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:44 pm

cross-eyed

avatar
I'm beginning to think that where we are in God isn't always where he is in us. Sometimes we tend to flip back and forth between 6th day and 7th day mentalities. One is based on my acheivements, whereas the other is based on His rest.

95 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:18 pm

A.R.T.I.C

avatar
Admin
Boy! There's that voice that has been missing in the crowd.

I can sure say Amen to that Nathan.

Glad to see that we haven't run you away, that would be our loss indeed. Sad

God Bless you




The Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail...Because The Love of God...Will....Never....Fail!
http://aplace2rest.forumotion.com

96 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:22 pm

A.R.T.I.C

avatar
Admin
Speaking of those that are missing, where is John, and Todd?




The Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail...Because The Love of God...Will....Never....Fail!
http://aplace2rest.forumotion.com

97 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:18 pm

J.U.G.G.H.E.A.D.

avatar
Admin
David, I haven't talked to you much, but I must say, I've been there, before December 12,2005 I was in the same way, struggling but it was during that struggle that something came over me and I knew it was not of me.

As Scherryl has said, faith, for all you know, God is putting you through all this so that when something does happen, you will know without a doubt that it is of Him.

I say, continue in your struggle and have the faith that the Father will bring you through it.

Yesterday as I was meditating on His word, Hebrews 9:27 came to mind but with a different twist, when it refers to being appointed once to die, the words "to be dead" came to mind and I understood it as "appointed once to be dead" for it is only when God wakes you that you know you were dead (sleeping). Our assurance rests in the faith of knowing we will be awakened, we just don't know when.

Rick



Wisdom is not measured by time, it is measured by understanding

98 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:32 pm

Guest


Guest
Yes, you are all right in this. What do I want more than anything? Peace. Rest in Him. Ceasing from my own labors and taking on His easy yoke. Living a burden of light. These are ethereal ideals. How, practically, do I see this playing out? I see us living in community, loving each other up and bearing each other's burdens. Planting crops, tending trees and animals, gathering eggs, milking goats, harvesting crops, preserving, preparing and consuming the harvest, building and maintaining shelters, teaching children to do the same. Glorifying God and communing with Him in the beauty of His creation. Striving no more but laboring in His rest. Forgetting what is behind and pressing forward toward whatever is His upward calling. Celebrating with others who are like-minded.

This is my seventh-day vision. This is what I want. Yet I look around and see only remnants of the sixth day. Decay, usury, religion, greed, conflict, a wife who says "I will not be satisfied." All of it evidence of mystery Babylon, which belongs to day 6. Shall I remain here and earnestly work to make the best of it? Shall I accept all as a "cross" designed for my ultimate perfection? That will take mammon, and lots of it. Perhaps even tons of gold wouldn't be enough for peace in my family, for I have found that where this is the focus there is never enough.

I have an opportunity to trade my skills and labor for room and board on an organic farm. There is an organization called World Wide Opportunities for Organic Farmers (WWOOF) which would afford me the opportunity to go anywhere in the world to do this. One particular farm in the Gran Sabana in Venezuela has caught my eye. Its location is near the border of Brazil about 4 degrees north of the equator. The architect who owns the farm has plans for putting in hydroelectric energy and building on his resort. He also has a heart for the children of the indigenous Pemon indians in the region and tying together the various small villages into a virtual schoolhouse since none are large enough to support high schools. In the village where he lives several of the residents get together and host workshops bringing in tourist/students from all over the globe to learn about apiculture, sustainable living and the like.

I think I am suited to support such ventures. Not for any personal profit of my own other than the privilege of living in such an environment. It would mean leaving my family. This thought is eased by my wife's continual claims that she wants me to go, that and her suing me for divorce. If I am to go, I sell my tools and my truck and move. If I am to stay, I will need God to make provision for that. I have no opinion on the matter: that I insist. I have left it up to Him. If He desires that I stay, then He will provide, and that by sunset this evening. I have resisted sending a letter of intent and selling those tools until now, though have been considering it for the past few weeks.

Sunset is getting very close and I am feeling the nearest thing to sadness that I have in a long time. My dog loves me, and he will miss me.

99 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:33 pm

Guest


Guest
jugghead wrote:David, I haven't talked to you much, but I must say, I've been there, before December 12,2005 I was in the same way, struggling but it was during that struggle that something came over me and I knew it was not of me.

As Scherryl has said, faith, for all you know, God is putting you through all this so that when something does happen, you will know without a doubt that it is of Him.

I say, continue in your struggle and have the faith that the Father will bring you through it.

Yesterday as I was meditating on His word, Hebrews 9:27 came to mind but with a different twist, when it refers to being appointed once to die, the words "to be dead" came to mind and I understood it as "appointed once to be dead" for it is only when God wakes you that you know you were dead (sleeping). Our assurance rests in the faith of knowing we will be awakened, we just don't know when.

Yes, Rick, and thank you.

Saving is all his idea, and all his work. All we do is trust him enough to let him do it. It's God's gift from start to finish!
(Eph 2:8 MSG)


I know I will have nothing to boast of when all this has played out. And I feel I know enough about death already to appreciate life when I see it.



Last edited by DavidHarreld on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:51 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : duplicate post for whatever reason and I don't know how to delete them)

100 Re: According to the Pattern on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:37 pm

J.U.G.G.H.E.A.D.

avatar
Admin
Quote from David: Sunset is getting very close and I am feeling the nearest thing to sadness that I have in a long time. My dog loves me, and he will miss me. end quote

To feel totally alone with no sense of purpose is to know what the Father felt when nothing existed but Himself



Wisdom is not measured by time, it is measured by understanding

Sponsored content


View previous topic View next topic Back to top  Message [Page 4 of 5]

Go to page : Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum