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1 How Long will you judge unjustly on Sun May 26, 2013 1:50 pm

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2Ti. 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


Psa. 82:2.
(KJV) How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

(BBE) How long will you go on judging falsely, having respect for the persons of evil-doers? Selah.

(CEV) "How long will you keep judging unfairly and favoring evil people?

(CLV) How long shall you judge with iniquity And lift up the faces of the wicked? Interlude

(ESV) "How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Selah

(GNB) "You must stop judging unjustly; you must no longer be partial to the wicked!

(WEB (R)) "How long will you judge unjustly, and show partiality to the wicked?" Selah.

Tradition teaches that this chapter is just only about unjust judges who are judging unjustly. But we need to notice carefully that the question is being asked of "you" the reader, who considers himself a man of God, so that you may be perfect- throughly furnished unto all good works: This does not just concern only those who are in authority as judges over Israel in the past as traditions of men teach us. How long will you, O man of God, judge unjustly?... is the question that we each of us who are seeking to be perfect must ask ourselves. The word translated as judge is in the qal imperfect. The imperfect mood represents an action that has been going on for a while. So we could literally say, ‘How long will you continually judge unjustly...’?

But that is only half of question asked by that verse. The other half of the question is How long will you accept the person of the wicked?

To truly understand what is being asked we need to look at the Hebrew of each word.

accept comes from H5375
נסה נשׂא
nâśâ' nâsâh
naw-saw', naw-saw'
A primitive root; to lift,in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively, absolutely and relatively: - accept, advance, arise, (able to, [armour], suffer to) bear (-er, up), bring (forth), burn, carry(away), cast, contain, desire, ease, exact, exalt (self), extol, fetch, forgive, furnish, further, give, go on, help, high, hold up, honourable (+ man), lade, lay, lift (self) up,lofty, marry, magnify,X needs, obtain, pardon, raise (up), receive, regard, respect, set (up), spare, stir up, + swear, take (away, up), X utterly, wear, yield.

How long will we bear, lift up, bring forth, carry, desire, lift self-up, magnify, set up, wear the persons...?

Persons comes from H6440
פּנים
pânı̂ym
paw-neem'
Plural (but always used as a singular) of an unused noun (פּנה pâneh, paw-neh'; from 6437); the face (as the part that turns); used in a great variety of applications (literally and figuratively); also (with prepositional prefix) as a preposition (before, etc.): - + accept, a (be-) fore (-time), against, anger, X as (long as), at, + battle, + because (of), + beseech, countenance, edge, + employ, endure, + enquire, face, favour, fear of, for, forefront (-part), form (-er time, -ward), from, front, heaviness, X him (-self), + honourable, + impudent, + in, it, look [-eth] (-s), X me, + meet, X more than, mouth, of, off, (of) old (time), X on, open, + out of, over against, the partial, person, + please, presence, prospect, was purposed, by reason, of, + regard, right forth, + serve, X shewbread, sight, state, straight, + street, X thee, X them (-selves), through (+ -out), till, time (-s) past, (un-) to (-ward), + upon, upside (+ down), with (-in, + stand), X ye, X you.

How long will we bear, lift up, bring forth, carry, desire, lift self up, magnify, set up, wear the persons, the faces, the countenances, the forms, the presence, the prospect of the wicked...?

Wicked comes from H7563
רשׁע
râshâ‛
raw-shaw'
From H7561; morally wrong; concretely an (actively) bad person: - + condemned, guilty, ungodly, wicked (man), that did wrong.

How long will we accept, bear, lift up, bring forth, carry, desire, lift self-up, magnify, set up, wear the persons, the faces, the countenances, the forms, the presence, the prospect of the wicked, the morally wrong, the active bad person, condemned, guilty, ungodly, wicked man?

Do you see the problem yet? We are convinced that the form of the wicked is actually our real nature! If that is what we think about ourselves, then we are judging ourselves unjustly! We think we are one way, Just poor old Sinners and if we consider ourselves born again, we still think that we are poor old Sinners who happen to be saved by grace; Either way we consider ourselves to be wicked poor old sinners. We have been thoroughly convinced by our parents, society, teachers, friends, religion since we were born into this world that all we are is just wicked sinners; but that is nothing but a false image: our true nature and image is so much more then we have accepted as true.

Praise God, God tells us what our true nature really is just a few verses later when he calls us gods and all of us are sons of the Most High. Hear this clearly God says, not Patrick, nor you the reader says; but God says that, 'We are gods, and all of you are sons of the most high God'. John said something almost the same when he declared in His first epistle chapter 3 starting at verse1; “Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.” Our Father’s love for us has declared that we are sons of God, and when he appears in us then we shall be like him.

Joh. 10:34-36 KJV Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; (36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Psa. 8:2 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are sons of the most High.


When Jesus said that those to whom the word of God comes to are gods and quoted what His Father said in Psa. 82:6 He established for all time an association, a connection, if you will that cannot be broken between Him declaring we are elohim, and all of us being sons of God. All sons of God are gods simply because our Father has said it is so. All sons of God are elohim, just like their Father is. The Pharisees falsely claimed that Jesus being a man made himself God. But notice how Jesus answered them He quoted the law that clearly stated that God said, ‘I Have SAID, YE ARE GODS’…, which to the Jews could only mean that YHVH declared them to be gods. Therefore Jesus could not be blaspheming and as a man making himself God; Jesus was only agreeing with and believing what God said concerning his true nature. Jesus acknowledged that the Father sanctified Him and sent Him into the world as the Son of God. He did not claim to have been the originating source of that idea; neither did He claim to be making himself God. Jesus included all His listeners and all to whom the word of God came to as gods, elohim. Furthermore he clearly confirmed that this saying of scripture cannot be broken. Yet most preachers alive today are breaking His scripture through what they are preaching about that passage, by agreeing with the Pharisees that Jesus made himself God; yet preaching that man will never be as he is. There is a vast difference between a man saying they are God in their own strength; and God saying ye are gods, sons of the Most High, and men of God agreeing with His declaration, accepting it as truth through faith. The first comes from ego, and will never happen, and has led to the death of many men, Herod being one who died prematurely for accepting the praise of men when they said “this must be the voice of God” and not giving God the glory(Acts 12:20-23). The other comes from God speaking, and us believing what He said, taking him at his word through faith, and becoming what he declared we are. This is vitally important for us to remember in the Old Testament God said, ‘Let there be light’ and there was light. When God speaks whatever He declares to be a reality becomes what He intended for it to be. Fallen man cannot make this claim and cause it to become a living reality in their lives. But the truth is that this is our true nature by the declaration of YHVH himself. It has been our nature from even before the fall of man. We were chosen in Christ and created in him unto good works before the foundation of the world was made. (Eph. 1:2; 2:10) We were not flesh at that time we were spirit. Our true nature is and has always been spirit. All we have to do is accept that what He calls us is what we actually are. This is what we truly are simply because God says we are gods, sons of the most high. We need to hear God speak this glorious mystery in us by His anointing or we shall never accept it as truth. It has always been God’s intention even from the beginning to make man in His image. He will not stop till He has a man is in his image.

In the beginning God said in Gen 1:26 “…, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. God is a spirit so the man he created in His image was spirit just like He is. Like reproduces like; cats do not reproduce dogs, snakes do not reproduce bees; cats reproduce cats and snakes reproduce snakes. This is the law of biogenesis that God has set up and that He also lives by. So therefore we can know that God’s Spirit is both male and female, just like the spirit he created in Adam before the fall.

There came a time when God decided to put Adam into a deep sleep in the garden and He removed the female aspect out of Adam. This was a deep, deep sleep: Adam slept and he slept and he is still sleeping even today; in fact Adam never woke up. Scripture never tells us that Adam woke up from his deep sleep. Everything that happened since Adam fell asleep has been part of the Adamic dream. Or you could call it a nightmare if you want. All of us have taken part of this Adamic dream; and we need to wake up. We need to wake up to righteousness, to his likeness and our true nature which is Christ. (Psa. 17:15; Isa. 52:1-7; Rom. 13:11-14; 1 Cor. 15:34; Eph. 5:14) We need to put off our old man and put on the new man Christ. (Eph. 4:22-24; Col. 3:8-17; Rom. 13:14; Gal. 3:26-29) We have been born again with an incorruptible seed (I Peter 1:23) Whosoever is born of this incorruptible seed does not commit sin, the reason he cannot commit sin is because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9) The seed is the living Word of God- Christ (Luke 8:11; Gal. 3:16) Christ must be birthed in us in order for us to become the children of promise the sons of God (Gal. 4:19-31; Rom. 9:6-26)

Because of our upbringing we have a hard time accepting what God declares is our true nature. Therefore, because we are judging ourselves unjustly as wicked, we do not know nor understand and are walking in darkness and in reality are asleep. We have accepted the lie that our nature is wicked, we have made that life our source and foundation; and that foundation is continuously out of course; consequently we are doing something we should not be doing at all, we are dying like men.

Jesus whole nature as a God-man can be summed up in the phrase kernel of seed of wheat as the following scripture verifies. All of the nature and essence of Jesus both divine and human is found in this seed of wheat

Joh 12:21-28 The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus. (22) Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus. (23) And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. (24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, except a kernel of seed of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. (25) He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. (26) If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. (27) Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. (28) Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

The seed of wheat that fell into the ground and died did not reproduce something different then its own nature; but it brought forth much fruit of the very same quality of life and nature it had: it only reproduced Christ in many men for the world to see.

Let us look at another parable:

Mat 13:24-30 KJV Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: (25) But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Notice that while Men slept… now if you can hear this, this is Adam and while we slept in Adam an enemy came and sowed tares into the field. (26) But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. (27) So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? (28) He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? (29) But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. (30) Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.



Our true nature is the seed Christ son of the living God. (Gal. 4:19; I John 3:5,6,9,10, 5:18; Gal. 3:16) Christ is a many member corporate body, with Jesus as the head and the church as His body. ( I Cor. 12:12-27, Eph. 1:20-23, Col. 1:18) Christ is our true foundation that is never out of course. (1 Cor. 3:11, 2 Tim. 2:19) Christ is light and as we abide in him, we become lights to this world, and In Him there is no darkness and it becomes true in him and in us that darkness is now past. (John 8:12, 12:46; Matt. 5:14-16; Rom. 13:12; 2 Cor. 3:18-4:6, 6:14-18; Eph. 5:8-14; Col. 1:12-13; 1 Th. 5:4-6; 1 Peter 2:9-11; 2 Peter 1:19; 1 John 1:5-7; 2:6-12; Rev. 21:22-24) Death has no more dominion over Christ (Rom. 6:9-11)

We need God to judge among the gods (Psa. 82 and verse 1). Among comes from the Hebrew word qereb means the center the inward parts the inward thoughts, within self.

H7130 קרב qereb keh'-reb
From H7126; properly the nearest part, that is, the centre, whether literally, figuratively or adverbially (especially with preposition): - X among, X before, bowels, X unto charge, + eat (up), X heart, X him, X in, inward (X -ly, part, -s, thought), midst, + out of, purtenance, X therein, X through, X within self.

We need God to judge our inward parts, our inward thoughts. We need to be purified from our unjust judgments We need to depart from that worker of iniquity that we falsely think is the source of our life (Psa. 6:8 , 2 Tim. 2:19), before God tells us to depart because we are workers of iniquity and he never knew us or from whence we are (Matt. 7:22,23, Luke 13:24-30).

Pro. 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.

If we truly believe in our heart that we are wicked poor old sinners then that is the nature that we are going to manifest to the world. If we add saved by grace to that mix what we will manifest is nothing but a continuous battle between the new man and the old man which we falsely believe is our nature. Our unjust judgments of our own selves are causing us to be double- minded and unstable in all of our ways. This battle will never end as long as we believe we are poor old sinners saved by grace. Only when we finally accept and believe God on what He says is our real nature will the battle begin to come to an end. When we begin to see Him as he is in our lives then we shall find that we are actually like Him. We must begin to purify our lives as he is pure. In time, we will become pure even as he is pure. When our eye becomes single only upon Him then our whole bodies shall be full of light.

1Jn. 3:1-3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. (2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Tit. 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Psa. 18:26 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.

2Ti. 2:19-22 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. (20) But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. (21) If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. (22) Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Mat. 6:22-23 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. (23) But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

We have already read that as a man thinks in his heart so is he. Scripture also declares ‘as the man is, so is his strength’.

Jdg. 8:21 Then Zebah and Zalmunna said, Rise thou, and fall upon us: for as the man is, so is his strength. And Gideon arose, and slew Zebah and Zalmunna, and took away the ornaments that were on their camels' necks.

Strength comes from what we think we are, if we think we are just mortal human sinners then we rely totally upon the arm of flesh as our strength to help us walk through life. That strength can fail us and grows weaker with time. And when we weaken and our strength leaves us then eventually we will die like men. If we consider ourselves sinners saved by grace we mainly rely on the strength of the arm of the flesh until we get into dire straits then we call upon the Lord to help us in our walk. His strength augments our strength and helps us through hard times. But once he answers us then we go right back and rely almost entirely upon our own strength to live our lives; that comes from the flesh, till we need him again. In time we will also weaken and our strength will leave us then we will die like men.
However if we judge ourselves as God judges us and consider ourselves gods sons of the Most High refusing to wear the form of the wicked; and rely upon Christ the seed in us as our source of life and strength we shall then grow in our walk from strength to strength till the God of gods is seen in Zion. Zion is all those who trust in the Lord (Psa. 125:1), it is not anymore a physical location in the earth over in Israel. In fact we have spiritually already come to mount Zion, where we can hear Jesus speak things that will shake our heaven and earth, thereby preparing us now to receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken. (Heb. 12:22-29)

Psa. 84:7 KJV They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God.

Psa. 84:7 CEV Your people grow stronger, and you, the God of gods, will be seen in Zion.

Psa. 125:1 KJV A Song of degrees. They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.

Heb. 12:22-29 KJV But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, (23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, (24) And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. (25) See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: (26) Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. (27) And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. (28) Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: (29) For our God is a consuming fire.

In the following verses God again tells us, who are Zion, to wake up, and put on strength. Not the strength of the flesh but the strength that only comes from Him.

Isa. 52:1-7 KJV Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean. (2) Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion. (3) For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money. (4) For thus saith the Lord GOD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian oppressed them without cause. (5) Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed. (6) Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. (7) How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

1Ch. 16:11 KJV Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually.

2Sa. 22:33 KJV God is my strength and power: and he maketh my way perfect.

Jehovah will send the rod of his strength out of all those who trust in him, they are His true Zion, His abiding place.

Psa. 110:1-2 KJV A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. (2) The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

Psa. 9:11 KJV Sing praises to the LORD, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his doings.

Psa. 50:2 KJV Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.

Psa. 76:1-2 KJV To the chief Musician on Neginoth, A Psalm or Song of Asaph. In Judah is God known: his name is great in Israel. (2) In Salem also is his tabernacle, and his dwelling place in Zion.

Psa. 99:2 KJV The LORD is great in Zion; and he is high above all the people.

Psa. 132:13 KJV For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.

Joe. 3:16-17 KJV The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. (17) So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

His strength will become our strength as we wait, rest in quietness and in confidence upon him. As we wait upon the Lord he will give us a living revelation where we shall know beyond a shadow of a doubt that He is in us and we are in Him. We shall know through the anointing teaching us that in the Lord we have righteousness and strength. And because of the riches of this revelation of His glory in us, we shall be strengthened with might by His spirit in the inner man to the point that we can do all things through Christ the true inner man who strengthens us and lives his life through us. God has called us into his eternal glory through Christ Jesus; after we have suffered a while He will make us perfect, establish us, strengthen and settle us in His glory.(Isa. 40:31; Isa. 30:15; Isa. 45:22-24; Eph. 3:16; Phi. 4:13; Gal. 2:20; Col. 1:9-18; 1Pe. 5:10)

When we recognize that we are truly weak in the strength of the flesh; then the incorruptible seed that we have been born again with, which is in us: will grow in the strength of his life, until death will finally be fully conquered in our flesh. Death will be conquered by eating that bread of life from heaven, which is Christ the son of the living God. Christ’s strength will not weaken, nor fade when we judge ourselves righteously but will only grow in us till we fully become as He is in this world.

2 WOW!!! WOW!!! WOW!!! on Mon May 27, 2013 11:08 am

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Patrick,
This is one of "THE BEST" articles I've seen laid out this way in a while... This subject and Gen. ch. 1 ....Are closest to my heart....
Well done Brother...Well done.....

And As The Father has said....say I too....

......"WHO TOLD YOU, YOU WERE NAKED"?

Evidently it was "NOT HIM"....But "an enemy"...and that enemy, is the enemy of God....Which is The carnal mind....

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Joh 10:35 If He called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Msg.

Eph 5:26 Christ's love makes the church whole. His words evoke her beauty. Everything he does and says is designed to bring the best out of her,
Eph 5:27 dressing her in dazzling white silk, radiant with holiness.

Again I say Patrick....Excellent !!!





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3 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Mon May 27, 2013 1:58 pm

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the following verses God again tells us, who are Zion, to wake up, and put on strength. Not the strength of the flesh but the strength that only comes from Him.

Isa. 52:1-7 KJV Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean. (2) Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion. (3) For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money. (4) For thus saith the Lord GOD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian oppressed them without cause. (5) Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed. (6) Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I. (7) How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!

Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This [is] the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

I love what was said , I read almost the whole thing yesterday
and it took me in several different directions

Thanks for the focus on the tree of knowledge of good and evil AJ ! that is the fruit the carnal mind fed on and told him he was naked before God

Pro 18:21 Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

that little member no man can tame , its the Lord Himself whom holds the bridle back
I always was concerned with Jesus saying make the tree good and its fruit good or make the tree corrupt and its fruit corrupt a tree is known by its fruit
when the Lord comes to inspect the tree [us ] by His visits
we are given the tree of Life as the reward for being faithful in those few things , thats just the way I can see it now

I love being able to share freely again without all the malice I have been though in other places

God bless and increse you all in His Spirt of might and honor and thanksgiving and power etc ..

4 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Mon May 27, 2013 4:48 pm

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Oh, Amen Rose,

And I hate to say it still is the fruit today that many are eating from..."For by The Law is The "KNOWLEDGE" of sin....
This is for those who are in "Rebellion" to The Leading of The Spirit of God.....

And many are still of that mindset and they are dying like men...The same as with The Children of Israel in the dessert...

But not so with the children of Abraham and that line for they walk by faith and not by sight...and they "KNOW" that to die is Gain....The children of law does not want to die....therefore He can not approach them but must send someone in His place...someone who confesses like them...."that their just a sinner saved by Grace also" .....

With this mindset they have not recognized themselves "Dead in-deed" to sin and Alive unto God our Father...
But I have a feeling all of that is about to change... Smile

Amo 5:5 But seek not Bethel, nor enter into Gilgal, and pass not to Beersheba: for Gilgal shall surely go into captivity, and Bethel shall come to nought.

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Amo 5:5 Don't fool around at those shrines of Bethel, Don't waste time taking trips to Gilgal, and don't bother going down to Beer-sheba. Gilgal is here today and gone tomorrow and Bethel is all show, no substance."

Bethel--House of God
Gilgal--The Roller or Wheel
Beersheba--Pit or oath

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5 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Mon May 27, 2013 6:43 pm

Rosered


Amen!! Thank you and Blessings AJ !!
those with the poison of asps
LOVE you sista !! this is one of my favorite chapters here and I was changed by it many years ago

Deu 32:1 ¶ Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.


Deu 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:


Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.


Deu 32:4 [He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he.
Deu 32:5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot [is] not [the spot] of his children: [they are] a perverse and crooked generation.


Deu 32:6 Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? [is] not he thy father [that] hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?


Deu 32:7 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.


Deu 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.


Deu 32:9 For the LORD'S portion [is] his people; Jacob [is] the lot of his inheritance.


Deu 32:10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.


Deu 32:11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:


Deu 32:12 [So] the LORD alone did lead him, and [there was] no strange god with him.


Deu 32:13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;


Deu 32:14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.


Deu 32:15 ¶ But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered [with fatness]; then he forsook God [which] made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
Deu 32:16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange [gods], with abominations provoked they him to anger.


Deu 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new [gods that] came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.


Deu 32:18 Of the Rock [that] begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.


Deu 32:19 ¶ And when the LORD saw [it], he abhorred [them], because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.


Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end [shall be]: for they [are] a very froward generation, children in whom [is] no faith.


Deu 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with [that which is] not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with [those which are] not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.


Deu 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. Deu 32:23 ¶ I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.


Deu 32:24 [They shall be] burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.


Deu 32:25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling [also] with the man of gray hairs.


Deu 32:26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:


Deu 32:27 Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, [and] lest they should say, Our hand [is] high, and the LORD hath not done all this.


Deu 32:28 ¶ For they [are] a nation void of counsel, neither [is there any] understanding in them.


Deu 32:29 O that they were wise, [that] they understood this, [that] they would consider their latter end!

Deu 32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?


Deu 32:31 For their rock [is] not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves [being] judges.


Deu 32:32 For their vine [is] of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes [are] grapes of gall, their clusters [are] bitter:


Deu 32:33 Their wine [is] the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.


Deu 32:34 ¶ [Is] not this laid up in store with me, [and] sealed up among my treasures?


Deu 32:35 To me [belongeth] vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in [due] time: for the day of their calamity [is] at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.


Deu 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that [their] power is gone, and [there is] none shut up, or left.


Deu 32:37 And he shall say, Where [are] their gods, [their] rock in whom they trusted,


Deu 32:38 Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, [and] drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, [and] be your protection.


Deu 32:39 See now that I, [even] I, [am] he, and [there is] no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither [is there any] that can deliver out of my hand.


Deu 32:40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.


Deu 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.


Deu 32:42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; [and that] with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.


Deu 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, [with] his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, [and] to his people.


Deu 32:44 ¶ And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun.


Deu 32:45 And Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel:


Deu 32:46 And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.


Deu 32:47 For it [is] not a vain thing for you; because it [is] your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong [your] days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.


Deu 32:48 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,


Deu 32:49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, [unto] mount Nebo, which [is] in the land of Moab, that [is] over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:


Deu 32:50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:


Deu 32:51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.


Deu 32:52 Yet thou shalt see the land before [thee]; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.

6 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Mon May 27, 2013 6:55 pm

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How do I express my words here to you Rose????

Mine too !!!!!

I love this chapter....In fact early in my walk with Him....I was actually trying to memorize it ...it was so good and made such an impact on me too....

Beautiful chapter....




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7 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Mon May 27, 2013 7:25 pm

Patrick1


OH NO not the shame of our nakedness being seen!!! God forbid that should happen affraid

Rev_3:18 I counsel (2) thee to buy of me gold (3) tried in the fire (1260), that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment(126 based on matthew 17:1-5 6 days * 3 tabernacles * 7 white robes), that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

2*3*1260= 7560 Gold tried in fire
2*126=252 white robes (there is much more to be said about 252 but I will leave that till later.

It is going to cost us to be dressed in His light garment.

I am so glad God used that post to minister to you. Thanks for your kind words. I will be so glad to meet you both again. Just talking to jugghead today has been a great blessing to me.

Grace and peace Patrick

8 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Mon May 27, 2013 7:26 pm

Rosered


WOW!! Sista what can I say ??

this changed a perspective in my heart about God , totally was in AWE of God and a fear/ respect to please Him
the fear of the Lord is the begining of Wisdom
I understood that after a long study on this beautiful chapter
so glad you ''get me '' You know !! lol Seeing Jesus Christ though He still is not flesh yet , but in flesh even than but hidden , sort of to most flower

9 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Mon May 27, 2013 7:29 pm

Patrick1


I agree with you rose it is always a wonder to be able to share someplace without all of the negative responses that try to cut you up because they have no understanding or wisdom.

Wow I love that chapter that you quoted It has been a while since I read it, It came at just the right time. Thanks.

Grace and peace Patrick

10 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Mon May 27, 2013 7:34 pm

Rosered


Patrick1 wrote:OH NO not the shame of our nakedness being seen!!! God forbid that should happen affraid

Rev_3:18 I counsel (2) thee to buy of me gold (3) tried in the fire (1260), that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment(126 based on matthew 17:1-5 6 days * 3 tabernacles * 7 white robes), that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

2*3*1260= 7560 Gold tried in fire
2*126=252 white robes (there is much more to be said about 252 but I will leave that till later.

It is going to cost us to be dressed in His light garment.

I am so glad God used that post to minister to you. Thanks for your kind words. I will be so glad to meet you both again. Just talking to jugghead today has been a great blessing to me.

Grace and peace Patrick

I love it , Amen !
Thanks for bringing that out Patrick !! you made me think of buying without money of Isaiah 55
and that went to the man trying to buy the Holy Spirit with money in Acts !!
but I realze its buying of Jesus our covering , being clothed in Christ

Isa 55:1 ¶ Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.


Isa 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for [that which is] not bread? and your labour for [that which] satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye [that which is] good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.


Isa 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, [even] the sure mercies of David.


Isa 55:4 Behold, I have given him [for] a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.


Isa 55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation [that] thou knowest not, and nations [that] knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.


Isa 55:6 ¶ Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:


Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.


Isa 55:8 ¶ For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.


Isa 55:9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


Isa 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:


Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.


Isa 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap [their] hands.


Isa 55:13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign [that] shall not be cut off.

11 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Mon May 27, 2013 7:40 pm

Rosered


Patrick1 wrote:I agree with you rose it is always a wonder to be able to share someplace without all of the negative responses that try to cut you up because they have no understanding or wisdom.

Wow I love that chapter that you quoted It has been a while since I read it, It came at just the right time. Thanks.

Grace and peace Patrick

wow ! Patrick your just precious you know that !!

and I am so excited right now , its the Spirt moving like nothing else ,
pure joy is inside just a leaping !!


you so right , its good to be here !
Love in Christ , Rose

12 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Mon May 27, 2013 8:31 pm

Patrick1


I have been thinking a lot about Isa 55:8 ¶ For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

Rose: You know that does not apply to our spiritual man in any way whatsoever but only applies to our carnal nature. Christ has given us His mind so we can think his thoughts, His thoughts are our thoughts and our ways are His ways when we learn to bow down and live only by the life of Christ in us. Thank God our carnal mind cannot say that, because his ways are not God's ways and his thoughts are most definitely not God's thoughts.

That is one of my favorite chapters in all of scripture.

I just noticed your last post and it made me laugh out loud because of Joy.

Gosh all these wonderful compliments is going to make my head swell and I won't be able to fit through the door when I have to leave.

Grace and peace Patrick

13 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Mon May 27, 2013 10:36 pm

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Awesome post Patrick,

This touched on some of my favorite things. You mentioned panyim face. We see this in the very popular verse "we see through a glass darkly".

A more literal translation is "for now we see in a mirror an enigma"

Here is the AMP: 1 Co 13:12 For now we are looking in a mirror that gives only a dim (blurred) reflection [of reality as in a riddle or enigma], but then [when perfection comes] we shall see in reality {and} face to face! Now I know in part (imperfectly), but then I shall know {and} understand fully {and} clearly, even in the same manner as I have been fully {and} clearly known {and} understood [by God].

First we have a mirror. When we are looking into the heavenlies it is through a mirror! But what do we see? That carnal man, its an enigma, a riddle. There was one very well known riddle or enigma. The enigma of the sphinx. And what is a sphinx? A cherub. The veil was woven with cherubim, and if you look at Strongs, one of the definitions of cherub is an imaginary creature.

So we look in the mirror and we see a riddle, we see the cherubim (veil that is cast over all people ISA 25).

Now that word mirror is esoptron, it is eis+ optanomoi. Eis=into, and optanomai is "to behold something remarkable" this isn't your ordinary looking. If you look at the word optanomai it is almost always used of people seeing the resurrected Christ! Where do we see it? In us, it is in the mirror.

Now the word esoptron only appears in one other place, James 1:23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. 24For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like.

The word natural is the word genesis. This is just like Adam looking back at the garden but only seeing the 2 cherubim.

The only other time the word mirror appears in the NT is in 2 Co 3, I'm giving a little context here too, to make the point:

12Having therefore such a hope, we use great boldness of speech, 13and are not as Moses, who put a veil upon his face, that the children of Israel should not look stedfastly on the end of that which was passing away: 14but their minds were hardened: for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remaineth, it not being revealed to them that it is done away in Christ. 15But unto this day, whensoever Moses is read, a veil lieth upon their heart. 16But whensoever it shall turn to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit.

On this mountain I will remove the covering that is cast over all people the veil that is spread over all faces, I will swallow up death forever.

14 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Tue May 28, 2013 2:09 pm

Patrick1


Absolutely wonderful dear brother!!!

The first vision I ever back in the early 80's I had when I was young in the Lord, and involved looking out over the whole earth and seeing lights all over the earth of different brightness and glory. Some were very bright and others were quite dim. I knew that these were all the men that believed in Christ Jesus. All of a sudden all of the lights started to get brighter and brighter, then I noticed a brilliant light greater then any other light descending and I knew it was Jesus. All the lights I could see were becoming just as brilliant as Jesus was including myself. Then I heard a voice say "we shall all be changed from glory to glory" then the vision ended.

I had just begun reading the bible at that time so I was not familiar with where that verse was but I had a Strong's concordance and looked it up and was amazed at the context of what it was saying. We are not changed by anything we do but only by looking into His mirror and beholding Him, then we are changed into the very same image that we see.

I love it thanks for bringing up all those wonderful passages sometime in the future when I have more time I will share about the cherubim and the crystal sea that in Ezekiel is over our heads and in revelation is under our feet.

Hey Jeremy I sent you an email the other day did you by chance get it?

Grace and peace Patrick

15 Re: How Long will you judge unjustly on Tue May 28, 2013 2:44 pm

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